21 May 2006 (Sun)
01:25:18
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Biella's talk.
Rather hard for me to follow, with difficult terminology
repeated, with hard-to-follow content, with somewhat
US-centric references to whatever Amendment made to whatever
I don't recognise.
- Hacking is jouissance.
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Humour is an important factor in hacker communication.
Laughter is indisputable success. Pleasure is visible.
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Humour is practiced in a form, hacking is play for form.
Similarity there?
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There is tension on meritocracy that it may collapse one
day. Transparency is important. New Maintainer process is
one solution to the problem.
02:14:36
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Lightning talks.
Coordinated by Joey Hess. Will we fit in?
- Jeroen WolfXXXX( I don't know how to spell his name):
automatic testsuite like piuparts and re-build of all packages, lintian exist, but they are not coordinated.
"Mole" system; to manage test results. A mail-based submission system. If interested, mail to debian-qa@lists.debian.org
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Jose Parrella: let those people love Debian.
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Andreas Schuldei: Debian in greater Linux ecosystem.
RedHat is moving to middleware market, and SUSE is not doing that great.
Hopefully one distribution that is supported
becomes LSB in the future.
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Damog: automating wnpp.
There are 4890 bugs on wnpp, unmanageable.
1-year-old ITPs are going to be closed automatically.
ITA retitled 250 days.
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Raphael Hertzog: collaborative maintenance.
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Matt Taggart:
DSA = elmo neuro joey fil.
debian-admin@debian.org (DSA 4), debian-admin@lists.debian.org (DSA+11 people).
To make things done quickly: make requrest clear, vague requests will need
questions.
- chroot request: check what's installed and missing.
Give a space-separated list.
Which machine, which chroot?
- Joey Hess: learning from gentoo. daemon and config
files. gentoo does not restart the daemon, and new config
file is placed in known place, "dispatch-conf" is used for managing the config file.
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Jeroen van Wolffelaar: Datamining on Debian packages metadata.
MIA developers tracking is also a delicate subject.
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Jeroen van Wolffelaar: practice pronoucing name.
Manoj Srivastava (the final A is not pronounced).
Junichi Uekawa.
Thanks for cheering my name!
02:23:36
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Updated libpkg-guide.
I've made a major re-ordering of chapters. I'm looking at
reducing some text from the document so that it's better
organized.
03:13:42
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Debugging debacle by AJ and Erinn Clarke.
- originally Debian was part of FSF.
One of Richard's suggestion was
to include debugging information.
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debugging symbols aren't too useful without source-code.
Where to put the source code?
Downloading source package doesn't actually obtain source-code;
some tarball and patches, which isn't really useful for gdb.
wig and pen format.
05:32:19
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debconf[67] BOF.
Andreas Schuldei starts by complaining this is not the kind of setting he expected.
It was not a BOF meant to be open to everyone.
- Edinburgh: discussion has been running for the past
half-year on mailing list evaluating some venues within
UK. Well-connected, and not as expensive as London,
Edinburgh turned out to be a good solution.
- Ryanair, Germanwings, and railways are available.
- Glasgow rains, Edinburgh does not.
- Venues allowed access 24 hours
- Andreas required cost of BigMac in UK, and noone really
knows the cost.
- Sarajevo, capital of Bosnia: Partially a Muslim country,
probably vegetarian is not much of a problem.
Apparently war is over, and crime rate is of European Standard.
- Shouldn't accessibilty be a more of a priority?
- Brixen, Italy: A resort place. Hosting school.
Boarding schools in town, which could be cheap accomodation?
Hotels 60 euros/night.
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Skiing would be obtrusive for hacking?
Swimming is easier to come back to work, but
going back from skiing takes too much time.
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Summer time is more convenient for many people to attend.
Having debconf in May was not a good idea. July just
before Kernel Summiy and OLS has worked very well for
many, January, February has a lot of problems.
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Hacklabs should be close to the place the talks take
place. We lost a lot of time. Oslo and Brasil worked
well, but Finland and Mexico, it was too far away.